Climate Control or Climate Cycles?

Written by John Turner B.Sc. Dip. Ed.; M. Ed. (Hons); Grad. Dip. Ed. Studies

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Governments are spending vast amounts of taxpayers money on policies designed to control the Earth’s climate.  The present concern is the fear of global warming but the initial scientific challenge in the early years of the 19th century was to understand global cooling which the Earth was subjected to during the Ice Ages.

Towards the end of that century two hypotheses had been formulated to explain major changes in climate: the greenhouse effect and the astronomical effect.  The former relates changes in climate to changes in the amount of certain gases in the atmosphere the latter to cycles in the eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit.

Is the climate controlled by changes in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere or by cycles in the motions of the Sun and the Earth?

At a Senate Estimates hearing in the Australian Parliament October 2016 the Chief Scientist Dr. Alan Finkel was asked the following question by Sen. Malcolm Roberts.

“What empirical evidence is there for the belief that CO2 from human activity affects climate and needs to be curtailed?”

Dr. Finkel did not provide the evidence. He said that the current increase in global temperatures is caused by an increase in the amounts of CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels.  He did not mention the decline in global temperatures which occurred for 30 years from 1940 to 1970 when CO2 levels were increasing.

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Dr. Finkel justified his answer by referring to the work of the Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius in 1896.  Arrhenius was a believer in the greenhouse effect hypothesis and performed a series of complex calculations which took him most of the year of 1895 to show that a change in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 of 50% would be sufficient to cause an Ice Age. [1 p8]

The greenhouse effect hypothesis says that short wavelength visible radiation from the Sun passes uninterrupted through the atmosphere and heats the surface which then emits long wavelength infrared radiation which is trapped by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

These gases then re emit some of that infrared radiation back to the surface.  The surface is therefore allegedly heated by short wavelength radiation from the Sun and also by long wavelength infrared radiation from greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

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According to this hypothesis the Earth’s atmosphere acts as a radiation trap.  When promoters of the greenhouse effect hypothesis are asked to provide evidence to support it they are unable to do so.  However there is evidence to show that a real greenhouse is not heated by trapped radiation.

In 1909 R.W. Wood Prof. of Experimental Physics at John Hopkins Uni. performed a very simple experiment to investigate how the contents of a greenhouse are heated.  He concluded that greenhouses do not heat because they trap infrared radiation but rather because they trap the movement of air preventing the warm air inside being replaced by cooler air from the outside.

The glass roof of a greenhouse stop the movement of air by convection currents.  The Earth’s atmosphere does not contain any physical barriers to stop air warmed by contact with the surface from cooling by convection.

Wood realized that the surface cools mostly by conduction and convection and loses very little heat by radiation.  “Is it necessary to pay attention to trapped radiation in deducing the temperature of a planet as affected by its atmosphere?” [2].

The first person to develop an astronomical theory of climate was the Scottish scientist James Croll [3]  who published his findings in 1875 in his book “Climate and Time”.  He was also the first person to suggest that changes in the heat transported by a major ocean current such as the Gulf Stream could affect the climate.

Milankovitch cycles

Sixty years later a Serbian mathematician Milutin Milankovitch in his book “Mathematical Climatology and the Astronomical Theory of Climatic Changes” predicted that the Earth had three cyclic motions which would affect the intensity of the solar radiation falling on it and hence the climate. These cycles were the changes in the eccentricity of the orbit (every 100 000 years); changes in the angle of the plane of the orbit (43 000 years) and the “wobble” of the axis of rotation (23 000 years).

There was some initial rejection of Milankovitch’s work in the 1950’s but in the 1970’s isotopic analysis of sediments obtained from the drilling of deep sea cores revealed cyclic variations had occurred in sea water temperatures which matched the Milankovitch cycles over the previous one million years [4].

The Stockholm Physics Society founded by Arrhenius was aware of Croll’s astronomical hypothesis but chose to ignore it [1 p8].  Arrhenius and all scientists in 1896 had no knowledge of how the Sun produces its energy.  We now know that all stars including the Sun produce energy by thermonuclear reactions that take place in their cores.

This theory was not developed until many years after Rutherford’s discovery of the atomic nucleus in 1907.  Scientists at the time of Arrhenius believed that the Sun only emitted energy by radiation (light, infrared, ultraviolet).  Arrhenius assumed that the average rate of emission of radiant energy from the Sun was constant.

Any change in global temperature must be due to something that is changing. This could not be the Sun because it was believed its radiation output, if it did vary, would only change by small amounts over time and this would not be enough to explain major changes, in the Earth’s climate, such as the Ice Ages.

Galileo one of the first scientists to use a telescope to study sunspots discovered that the Sun rotates and each revolution takes about 26 days.  The Sun spins in the same direction as the planets that orbit around it, which is not surprising as the Sun and the planets originated from the same rotating disc of inter stellar gas.

In 1843 the German amateur astronomer Henrich Schwabe discovered the 11 year sunspot cycle (Schwabe cycle).  In 1908 the American astronomer George Hale discovered that the Sun has magnetic fields many thousands of times stronger than the magnetic field at the surface of the Earth.  This discovery marked the beginning of modern solar physics [5 p89].  Solar physicists now know that the strength of these magnetic fields is related to the number of sunspots.

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Sunspot cycles provide direct evidence that the Sun’s energy output changes in a predictable manner.  During those times when the Sun is not very active it is said to be in a solar minimum and there are few or no sunspots. During times when the Sun is very active it is said to be in a solar maximum and there are many sunspots.

Astronomers have identified 7 different solar cycles with average periods ranging from 11 years for the Schwabe cycle to 2300 years for the Hallstatt cycle [6 p67].  An important cycle is the 22 year Hale cycle caused by changes in the intensity and direction of the Sun’s magnetic fields.  Magnetic fields are sources of energy.  Could the Sun’s changing magnetic fields cause changes in the Earth’s climate?

Late in the 10th century the Vikings settled in Greenland, generations of them called this land their home.  However within a few hundred years the settlements were all wiped out by climate change.  At the end of the 15th century the temperatures on Greenland had become so cold all of the Vikings had gone.

Sunspots during the Maunder Minimum.  From 1645 to 1700 many years had no sunspots [7]. 

The sunspot record at the time showed an almost complete absence of spots indicating a solar minimum now known as the Maunder Minimum.  In addition to driving the Vikings from Greenland this period of severe cooling caused great misery from mass famines due to reduced harvests, the Thames River froze during the winters, warm weather crops in parts of China failed, early settlers in North America were challenged by the extremely cold winters [7].  The climate during this period referred to as the Little Ice Age lasted until about 1850.

History shows that climate always changes as shown in the following table.  A pattern of warm and cold climate cycles is apparent.

The climate cycles observed during recent history could not have been caused by changes in the solar radiation flux reaching the Earth due to changes in the Earth Sun distance and angle of incidence as predicted by the Milankovitch cycles because these time periods are too long.

However what about changes within the Sun itself?  To understand the changes in the Sun it is necessary to recall Newton’s concept of “centre of mass” (CM) the point at which an object’s mass may be considered to be concentrated for the purpose of calculating the gravitational force it will exert on another object.

The CM’s of the Sun and the planets considered as individual separate bodies would be located at their centres.  However the mutual gravitational forces of these bodies in the Solar System means the planets and the Sun will orbit about a single point the “centre of mass of the solar system” (CMSS) [8].

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About 4.6 billion years ago the Solar System formed by the mutual gravitational attraction of matter in a giant molecular cloud.  As this matter contracted it started to rotate to conserve the cloud’s angular momentum.   The Sun contains about 99% of the total mass of the Solar System but the planets because of their greater distances from the CMSS contain 99% of the total angular momentum. Like energy angular momentum is a conserved quantity.

As the planets and the Sun orbit the CMSS angular momentum is exchanged between them but the total remains constant.  The position of the Sun in its orbit about the CMSS is controlled by the relative positions of the major planets Jupiter and Saturn.  It is no coincidence that the 11 year average period of the Schwabe sunspot cycle is close to the orbital period of Jupiter.

Are the recent climate cycles a result of the greenhouse effect? This question was investigated by Scafetta [9]. He started with the record of global surface temperatures from 1850 to 2013 and by applying a Fourier Transform analysis to the temperature data identified five shorter cycles and a longer major one at 60 years.

The shortest (9.1 years) matched the cycle of extreme tides which is controlled by the position of the moon when the Earth is at its closest position to the Sun (perihelion).  An explanation of the link between extreme tides and global temperatures is explained by Keeling & Whorf [10].  The other four shorter cycles and the major 60 year cycle are caused by the gravitational attraction of the major planets Jupiter and Saturn on the motion of the Sun in its orbit about the CMSS.

The 60 year cycle explains the warm climate periods which occurred between 1850-1888 and then from 1910-1940 then from 1990-2000 as well as the cool climates periods between 1880-1910 and 1940-1970 as well as the pause in global warming observed for 18 years from the year 2000 [9].

Scafetta then investigated 162 different CMIP5 and GSM Climate Models used by the IPCC but was unable to identify any major climate cycles.  These models are based on the greenhouse effect hypothesis which assumes that a doubling of CO2 will cause global temperatures to increase by 2.0 to 4.50C.  The IPCC’S climate models did not simulate the observed decadal and the multi decadal climate cycles.  Scafetta concludes that

the climate system is synchronized to the natural oscillations found in the solar system and that this harmonic dynamics constitutes an important component of the Earth’s climate” [9 p354].

The absence of warming in the upper Troposphere provides further evidence that the greenhouse effect does not exist.  Climate models use the greenhouse effect to predict what will happen to global temperatures if the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere increases.  The models predict a greenhouse gas fingerprint or “hotspot” in the Tropics because increasing concentrations of atmospheric CO2 will cause the upper Troposphere to warm faster than the lower Troposphere which is warming faster than the surface.

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Although the vertical temperature profile of the Tropics has been extensively measured by radiosondes in weather balloons and satellites no “hotspot” has been detected [11 p120].  Also

There is no longer any doubt that the purported tropical “hot spot” simply does not exist.  Thus the EPA’s theory as to how CO2 affects GAST-EPA’s first line of evidence-must be rejected” [12 p13].

The Earth’s climate consists of a sequence of warm and cold cycles.  The climate is controlled by the Sun not by the amount of CO2 gas in the atmosphere.  The Sun is a variable star its output is related to the orbital changes it encounters when it moves around the centre of mass of the solar system.

The climate is a result of natural astronomical cycles which have been operating for 4.6 billion years.  The greenhouse effect is an old concept based on pre quantum ideas.  Taxpayers money would be better spent on research into the Sun rather than wasted on efforts to reduce the amount of CO2 a life giving gas in a futile attempt to control the climate.

References

[1] Elisabeth Crawford “Arrhenius’ 1896 Model of the Greenhouse Effect in Context” Ambio Vol 26 No 1 Feb1997 Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

[2]  “XXIV. Note on the Theory of the Greenhouse By Prof. R.W. Wood” Philosophical Magazine 1909 v17  p319-320).

[3] “James Croll” The Geological Society of Glasgow www.geologyglasgow.org.uk

[4] Milankovitch Cycles britannica.com

[5] Lucie Green “15 Million Degrees A Journey to the Centre of the Sun” Penguin Books 2016

[6] F. Vahrenholt S. Luning “The Neglected Sun” Stacey International 2012

[7] Cause of Global Climate Changes 1.3 Maunder Minimum sciencedirect.com

[8] T. Landscheidt “New Little Ice Age Instead of Global Warming” Energy & Environment v14 no. 2&3   p327-50 2003

[9] N. Scafetta “Discussion on climate oscillations: CMIP5 general circulation models versus a semi-empirical harmonic model based on astronomical cycles”  Earth Science Reviews 126 (2013) 321-357

[10] Charles D. Keeling and Timothy P. Whorf “Possible forcing of the oceanic tides” PNAS August 5, 1997

[11] R.M. Carter “Climate: The Counter Consensus” Stacey International 2010

[12] Supreme Court of the United States Nos. 12-1268, 12-1269, 12-12-72 On Petition for a Writ of  Certiorari to the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit; Brief of Amici  Curiae Scientists in Support of the Petitioners for Certiorari


About the Author

John Turner has a degree in Science with majors in Physics and in Chemistry, a Master’s degree with first class honours in Science Education and a post graduate diploma in computers and the teaching of digital electronics.  He has taught HSC Physics; was the inaugural Science Adviser for the NSW Dept. of Education Centre for Research in Measurement and Evaluation, was a member of the NSW Science Syllabus Committee, has lectured in Science Education at university and was a former Member of the Australian Institute of Physics.


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Comments (15)

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    jerry krause

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    Hi John,

    You wrote: “The greenhouse effect hypothesis says that short wavelength visible radiation from the Sun passes uninterrupted through the atmosphere and heats the surface which then emits long wavelength infrared radiation which is trapped by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.”

    If one reads Arrhenius’s essay, one would find that this statement is false. For he reduced the ‘short wavelength visible radiation from the Sun ‘ which reaches the earth surface by using the ‘average’ albedo which had been measured and calculated at that time. Of course, we know the influence of cloud is a major factor of this ‘average’ albedo. And it is clear, if one reads his 1896 essay, that he did ‘not’ consider that cloud had any influence upon the transmission of the ‘long wavelength infrared radiation’ being emitted from the surface (according to its temperature) through the atmosphere to space.

    If one reads pages 32-8, 9 of The Feynman Lectures on Physics, one will find Feynman taught his students about a light scattering theory of cloud which would scatter the ‘long wavelength infrared radiation’ much more intensively than the ‘short wavelength visible radiation’.

    Have a good day, Jerry

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      John Turner

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      Hi Jerry I agree my summary of the greenhouse effect hypothesis should have included a reference to the effect of the atmosphere on the incoming solar radiation and the outgoing emitted infrared radiation. However it is important to understand that the greenhouse effect is essentially an infrared “radiation trapping” hypothesis. If your main objection is an incorrect representation of Arrhenius’ view of the greenhouse effect you have missed the essential thrust of the argument. Arrhenius and others of his time had no knowledge of the changes in the climate that occurred throughout the billions of years of the Earth’s existence. Isotopic examinations of the geologic record were unknown in 1896. These changes reveal cyclic patterns which are not related to changes in the concentrations of atmospheric CO2. You mention Richard Feynman, a great physicist and teacher, he had a very simple message for his students about the essence of testing a hypothesis “if it doesn’t agree with experiment its wrong”. You cannot prove a hypothesis you can only disprove it. The decrease in global temperatures during the 30 years from 1940 to 1970 while the levels of CO2 were increasing disproves the greenhouse effect.

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    Makena

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    Wonderful essay. I wish the whole world could know this. I’ll be praying for them, that God brings this truth out to them

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      jerry krause

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      Hi Makena,

      Yes, I totally agree with you and I should have made your comment as I tried to correct certain important historical errors (misstatements).

      Have a good day, Jerry

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    Dean M Jackson

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    The Essence Of The ‘Climate Change’ Fraud Identified: Massive Energy Levels Data Missing For Nitrogen & Oxygen

    Greater than 94% of the energy contained within nitrogen and oxygen are unaccounted for by the ‘climate change’ narrative, informing us of the massive scientific fraud taking place, the purpose of the fraud to further weaken the West’s economies. Nitrogen and oxygen don’t absorb much infrared radiation (IR) emitted from the ground, and assuming they absorb 100% of thermal energy from the surface, constituting approximately 5% of Earth’s energy budget, we’re left with a massive energy deficit for nitrogen and oxygen, confirming that those two molecules derive their energy from thermal ground/ocean emissions instead, but since the ‘climate change’ narrative identifies such emissions as not thermal but IR, we have proof that the energy being emitted isn’t IR but thermal because nitrogen and oxygen absorb a miniscule amount of IR.

    Nitrogen and oxygen obtain 5.1% of their heat energy from thermal energy emanating from the surface,* and another .078% of their heat energy from outgoing infrared radiation,** leaving an energy deficit of approximately 94.8%.

    I’ve asked NASA twice regarding the energy data discrepancy, but, naturally, there can be no reply, which is what I received…deafening silence.

    Scroll down to the May 15 (2019) posting at NASA’s Facebook Climate Change site …

    https://www.facebook.com/pg/NASAClimateChange/posts/?ref=page_internal

    NASA’s reply to my initial comment:

    “Greenhouse gas emissions from human activities are the only factors that can account for the observed warming over the last century”

    My last comment, to which no reply is given:

    “NASA Climate Change, hello out there! It’s been a week now and no reply! What’s the holdup? We need to know where nitrogen and oxygen obtain the vast bulk of their heat energy in the troposphere. It’s a simple question for NASA who has the answer at the mere tap of a computer key. Why is NASA shy?”

    Carbon dioxide is a denser molecule than either nitrogen and oxygen, approximately one-third denser due to approximately one-third less heat energy contained in the CO2 molecule, which informs us that carbon dioxide cools the atmosphere by displacing greater heat retaining nitrogen and oxygen molecules.

    The missing energy levels for nitrogen and oxygen direct our attention to another aspect of the scientific fraud taking place: Misidentified outgoing energy types. IR is assigned an energy magnitude of 358.2 Wm2, and thermals 18.4 Wm2. The opposite is closer to the truth, where IR is assigned 18.4 Wm2, and thermals 358.2 Wm2.

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    See Earth’s Energy Budget diagram: 18.4/358.2 = 5.1%

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/The-NASA-Earth%27s-Energy-Budget-Poster-Radiant-Energy-System-satellite-infrared-radiation-fluxes.jpg/1200px-The-NASA-Earth%27s-Energy-Budget-Poster-Radiant-Energy-System-satellite-infrared-radiation-fluxes.jpg

    ** “Still the net global OLR [outgoing longwave radiation] reduction of oxygen and nitrogen together is with 0.28 Wm -2…”

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2012GL051409

    .28/358.2 = .00078 = .078%

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      John Turner

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      Hi Dean
      You raise a most important issue about the energy contained by nitrogen and oxygen the two gases which constitute 99% of the atmosphere. The greenhouse effect is a hypothesis formulated on a guess that certain gases such as CO2 “trap” the infrared radiation emitted by the surface and thus control the Earth’s ability to cool itself. Nitrogen and oxygen gas molecules do not resonate at infrared frequencies and hence will not interfere with the emitted radiation from the surface. However during intermolecular collisions their outer electron clouds are distorted and infrared radiation is emitted by the acceleration of the electronic charges as per Maxwell’s electromagnetic radiation theory. Proponents of the greenhouse effect hypothesis ignore the fact that the atmosphere is a mixture of gases and as such obeys the gas laws. These laws relate the temperature of a gas to the average kinetic energy of the molecules, approximately to the average speed of the molecules. At a given temperature the speeds of the gas molecules follow the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. Assume the concentration of CO2 is 400 ppm. This means in an air parcel of 10 thousand molecules only 4 (from all sources both natural and anthropogenic) will be CO2. When this air parcel contacts the warm surface all the molecules gain energy by conduction and the average speed of the 10 thousand molecules will increase hence its temperature increases it will expand and rise setting up a convection current. However when this air parcel is at altitude only the 4 CO2 molecules will absorb radiant energy. Even if the concentration of CO2 doubled to 8 they would not be able to absorb enough energy to increase the average speed of the remaining 9 thousand 9 hundred and ninety two molecules which they must do if the “back” radiation from CO2 is to warm the surface. No wonder you did not receive a reply from NASA.

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        Ted Gilles

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        NASA’s fourth National Assessment (NCA4) released November 23, 2018 is basically flawed. On page 82 of Volume 1 they state that the atmospheric concentration of CO2 went from 278 parts per 1,000,000 parts of air (ppm) in 1750 to 390 ppm in 2016 for an increase of 40%. This incorrect value, should actually be 0.01%, is repeated in Volume 2.

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    Eddy

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    Backradiation of IR towards earth is not required in order to have an effect on temperature. An insulation just increases the potential between both sides, i.e. a higher temperature difference. IR radiation to space remains indifferent. Basic heat theory.

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    Jim

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    Mr. Turner,
    Well written. You may also be interested in “How Major Geological Events End So-Called Glacial Periods” posted in May of this year on Principia Scientific. It complements your artcile by presenting a short summary of how geological forces are effected by Milankovitch Cycles. M-Cycles act to increase magnitude, rate, and frequency of geologically induced emissions into ocean and atmosphere thereby altering climate.
    Regards,
    Jim

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      John Turner

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      Hi Jim Thank you fro the reference I will follow that up
      John

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    Robert Beatty

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    John,
    A great summary of all the known interactions. From the tabulation and assuming ‘average’ we are in a sweet warm spot until 2250? There seems to be another influence on our global temperature, that is core activity. Currently, core activity is elevating, given the increase in atmospheric CO2 levels, and hence slight rises in average sea temperature. This appears to offset the solar minimum impact, which predominantly affects land temperature. I wonder if there is recognised science which tracks core cycle activity? There seems to be physical evidence for its existence, given the remarkable parallel ridge system evident along the Mid Atlantic Ridge.

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    Andrew Tilley

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    Let’s hope we’re currently in a sweet warm spot. But the sunspot cycles (mean about 11±1.5 years) have recently been getting longer (approximately 12 years) and sunspot activity has been going down. Both trends are associated with global cooling. Perhaps we should issue a cautionary warning to all brass monkeys: Beware the snowman cometh.

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    Al Shelton

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    I believe that continental drift [plate tectonics] affect climate change as well as the Milankovitch cycles.. No?? Yes?

    Also, someone please explain CO2 saturation.
    If CO2 absorbs IR and then thermalizes, it must expand and rise, thereby acting as a coolant. No??

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    jerry krause

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    Hi Al,

    My answers (for whatever they are worth) to your questions are: Continental Drift (CD) produces volcanic eruptions which put ash into the atmosphere which changes for awhile changes the earth’s albedo. We (and I too) accept the last glaciers which covered northern portions of North America, Europe, and Asia melted only 10,000 years ago. But I have not read how these glaciers formed in the first place.

    To me, it seems it has to snow a lot to produce a glacier a mile or so thick. Therefore I consider that the Arctic Ocean was heated at its bottom by the volcanic action which formed the many small islands of the Pacific and which we see occurring at the surface in Hawaii and Yellowstone National Park and formed the volcanic mountain ranges just inland along the west coast of the Americas. So, what is occurring beneath the surface of oceans and seas could be continually creating ‘random’ hot spots. And temperature difference drive atmospheric circulations (winds) each day at many locations. (And as I looked for a reference later in this comment, I find (https://principia-scientific.org/volcanism-altering-bering-sea-eco-systems-not-climate-change/) So, my answer is a very strong yes.

    The Milankovitch (sunspot ?) cycles I explain by something I have not read either. We observe twilight; which is evidence that tiny molecules scatter radiation. The nuclear reactions which convert matter into radiation occur deep in the central portions of the stars (our sun) and scattering by the hydrogen atoms (still the major portion of most stars) hinder the transmission of this ‘energy’ to space. Therefore there must be great localized heating in the star’s interiors which causes localized expansions which ‘bubble’ to the surface of the star. The expansion (change of density) of the gases might change the rate of fusion. Which I believe only occur as ‘explosions’ and not the variable fission rates of the other possible nuclear reaction.

    “The greenhouse effect is an old concept based on pre quantum ideas.” (https://principia-scientific.org/climate-control-or-climate-cycles/) “Thus Einstein assumed that there are three kinds of processes: an absorption proportional to the intensity of light, an emission proportional to the intensity of light, called induced emission or sometimes stimulated emission, and a spontaneous emission independent of light.” (pp 42-9, The Feynman Lectures on Physics) So, the absorption of long wavelength IR by carbon dioxide does not heat the atmosphere but the molecule’s spontaneous emission can cool the surrounding the surrounding molecules of nitrogen and oxygen.

    Now Al, you will not find any physicists writing about the GHE who acknowledge the validity of quantum mechanics. “John Turner has a degree in Science with majors in Physics and in Chemistry.” Chemists embrace QM because it explained what had already been observed by their chemistry experiments.

    Have a good day, Jerry

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      Al Shelton

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      Thanks for that…………

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