35-Year Cooling of South Pole Confirmed By NASA

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Those Stubborn Facts:Antarctica Ice Sheets Safe

The IPCC’s climate science has long claimed that human CO2 emissions are producing an accelerated global warming, with a “runaway” warming trend, which is then being amplified in the north and south polar extremes. This dangerous warming is, of course, causing the ice sheets to melt, unleashing catastrophic sea level rise, and thus swamping coastal regions and low-lying islands, as we speak!South Pole Cooling

Hmmm…..despite over 845 billion tons of human CO2 emissions being added to the biosphere since 1978, that predicted dangerous warming, and associated catastrophes, have yet to materialize.A BIG-TIME FAIL, no? As many are now saying, a rather robust and very significant embarrassment for all of the “consensus” involved: including the IPCC, the United Nations’ science “experts,” the governing elites and bureaucrats.This huge fail is amplified because the South Pole region that includes Antarctica has done the opposite – literally a cooling temperature trend over the last 35 years.NASA’s satellites have now been measuring global temperatures for a full 35 years (420 months through November 2013), including the Antarctic. The chart (right) documents the measured southern polar region temperatures.
As can be seen, there has been a cooling trend – granted, a very tiny -0.04°C/century, but it remains far removed from the IPCC’s unicorn science of “amplified” and dangerous polar warming. And not only has it not warmed, the Antarctic sea ice has grown to a record amount.Well, you might now be wondering if that imminent, catastrophic Antarctica ice sheets melting and collapse are still imminent…as predicted. Nope. Eating a huge amount of that cooling crow, the IPCC has recently labeled that outcome as “extremely unlikely“…..Ooops!!
 
In summary, those stubborn facts that are the archenemy of climate change alarmists are without mercy – after 35 years of high tech measurements, the South Pole region has nada, zilch, goose egg, naught, aught, nil, nix, nothing, null, zero, zip and zippo warming. Nuff said.Previous ‘Those Stubborn Facts’ postings. Additional modern, regional and historical temperature charts.
Note: Download Excel spreadsheet with data used to plot chart.
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    robin archer

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    well, melbourne and victoria are sweltering under record high temperatures ……again…
    now l know you will tell me that the BOM are lying again………but its fkn hot!

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    Paul M.

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    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    Definitely more Antarctic ice this year as has been consistent for a number of years and the Arctic ice is off its minimums. Global warming?

    I have recently come to the conclusion that there are 2 kinds of scientists. “Climate-scientists” and “scientists”. The first type cherry-pick events and statements that back their AGW theory. The second type do actual research, make observations, and test the theories using a scientific process.

    In 1491, probably 98% consensus the earth was flat. The Earth is the centre of the universe. Columbus, Copernicus, and a few other proved otherwise. It is not the first time in history that 98% consensus has been wrong!

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    Richard G

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    YES, I like that – “Do come back and tell of your experience getting answers from NASA.”

    Excellent Claudius …. thank you.

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    Claudius Denk Solving Tornadoe

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]listen…..all l know is l saw this graph posted on my facebook page saying
    35 year cooling of south pole confirmed by NASA….which caught my eye after recently watching programs about the glaciers retreating, how much the ice is receeding etc..so l went to the NASA site, stuffed if theres anything there that supports this….the total opposite actually[/quote]

    It’s comical how often an AGW advocate will tell us about the impression they got reading a website as if that impression was itself evidence/proof of AGW and the integrity of the consensus.

    [quote name=”robin archer”]
    ………you guys have come back at me with stuff about islands sinking…CO2 imissions….that l`ve got my information from GISS, SABER, CERN, GHE, and good old WTF? (I have no idea wot those things are)….that NASA is bullshit…lots of other stuff…..so here we go
    please put on here, show us all…..show us where NASA says that the icecaps are increasing……..you guys made the statement…..now show us how you arrived at that conclusion[/quote]No. You tells us how you have come to a firm conclusion about something you can’t test, measure or even define.[quote name=”robin archer”]and dont give me all the other crap
    ………..show us………….
    and l dont want stuff from other people…..your statement and graph says `confirmed by NASA`………..WHERE?[/quote]Why don’t you go to NASA or it’s website to see if they might help you to address the issues I mentioned above. Don’t evade this important issue.

    Do come back and tell of your experience getting answers from NASA.

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    Richard G

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    Oops, a year error – “as the Earth’s climate shifts to an Ice Age phase around 2013/2104 (as most solar scientists maintain) ” should read as “an Ice Age phase around 2013/2014..”

    Okay. That’s right now by the way…… 🙂

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    Richard G

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    GERMAN SCIENTISTS PREDICT A CENTURY OF GLOBAL COOLING by Cliff Harris, cdapress.com (Dec 25th). ‘ Two German scientists, Horst-Joachin Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy, say that “two naturally occurring climate cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the next century.”

    They added, “by the year 2100, temperatures on this planet will plunge to levels seen at the end of the ‘Little Ice Age’ in 1870.” These researchers used historical data detailing temperatures as well as cave stalagmites to show a recurring 200-year solar cycle called the [b]DeVries Cycle[/b].

    They likewise featured into their studies a well-established 65 year Atlantic and Pacific Ocean oscillation cycle of warming that has occurred since 1870 and will soon shift to a much cooler cycle of sea-surface temperatures, in other words, more chilly ‘La Ninas’ and less warm ‘El Ninos.’ (From Principia Scientific, just posted)..

    [u]NB:[/u] “Already this bitterly cold 2013-14 winter season, we’ve seen killer blizzards and minus-40 degree actual air temperatures with wind-chill factors of minus-55 degrees on Montana’s Glacier National Park earlier this month. Elsewhere around the planet, it was one of the coldest and snowiest winters in 200 years in parts of South America between June & August. Some weather stations in Nthn Argentina and Paraguay saw their first measurable snowfalls this past July in living memory. This July likewise saw the coldest temperature ever on earth in Antarctica, an incredible minus-135.8 degrees F. (-93.3 deg C).

    Robin – all of this does fly in the face of many of your posts. And the most interesting thing is that several other climate theories propose that as the Earth’s climate shifts to an Ice Age phase around 2013/2104 (as most solar scientists maintain) or a mini iceage shift, then we have an in-between climate phase which gives freezing Northern winters and hotter Sthn Hemisphere summers. We are in that right now – so the BOM in Australia is correct in a way, but they just don’t have the BIG picture .

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    Claudius Denk Solving Tornadoe

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/01/03/09/33/2013-is-australia-s-hottest-year-on-record

    now the Bureau of Meteorology are just another bunch of liars and con artists?[/quote]

    One should never attribute to dishonesty what can easily be explained by ignorance.

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    Claudius Denk Solving Tornadoe

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    [quote name=”Claudius Denk”][quote name=”robin archer”]http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/jesei/co2green/home.htm

    a simple experiment done at a college[/quote]
    Now apply the results to our atmosphere and tell us what you get.[/quote]

    Go ahead, Robin. You presented an experiment (or what you call an experiment [actually, its just an observation]) now tell us it’s significance. If you’re not going to explain the significance then you need to explain why you presented it in the context of this thread/discussion. And if you can’t do that then you are obligated to make a retraction.

    This isn’t a hand holding service. We’re not here to make your argument for you. If you are incapable of maintaining a dialogue the polite thing to do would be to recuse yourself from the conversation.

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    Allen Eltor

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    SunsetTommy take my name off your site.

    I’ll take yours off my browser.

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    Sunsettommy

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    [b]ADMINISTRATOR[/b] Comment:

    Ellen Eltor,not only are your words hard to follow you are not staying reasonably on topic.

    I want you to drop the continual “hillbilly” style of writing,failing to do that will cause me to delete them.

    Also drop the unpleasant personal feelings that are not conductive to good debate,as they cause problems and get me irritated that I have to waste my time cleaning it up.

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    Scott Alchin

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    Robin, hunt around physicists and you’ll find an entire community of ‘deniers’. Why don’t the true AGW believers ever quote a paper from any physicists? That should be a reasonable question to ask.
    As for NASA, well they are flat broke and since US federal budget restructure in 2009 NASA have dropped funding allocation for Meteorite/Asteroid tracking. NASA also used ERBE to monitor radiation into and out of earth and CO2’s effect on radiation. NASA ‘claimed’ increased CO2 trapped radiation based solely on model predictions however the opposite is true based on real observed ERBE data.
    As I said, NASA are broke. We all know that anyone who survives on government funding is more likely to receive funds if the hype up the AGW scare. Enter Hansen and GISS.

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    Scott Alchin

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]national geographic?……….dodgy also?[/quote]

    Certainly is Ralph. They’re still running 5 year old stories on polar bear decline and Himalayan glacial melts even after both have been proven incorrect.

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    Alderman

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    concerning the reliability of National Geographic see:
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/
    There is a big picture of the statue pf liberty under water due to climate change.
    To evaluate the claim, you need to know the present height of the statue above sea level, and the rate at which ocean levels are rising over the past 50 odd years -say 2.8mm per year.
    and read the comments.
    I suppose this is of no significance to the innumerate.

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    Alderman

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    Referring to a sister thread on this site
    http://www.principia-scientific.org/Current-News/global-warming-satellite-data-shows-arctic-sea-ice-coverage-up-50-percent.html
    On the above our prolific contributor Robyn Archer asked a question. The question was answered (by me) but there has been no response. Briefly, quote and discuss from NASA (or other biased sources) by all means, but if the topic is year 2013 then check the date of the NASA material to which you have referred.

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    Ralph Walton

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    @robin Archer..I’ll sends some more info later on. Got to go out shortly. But not all the climate change, weather, global warming statistics, or scientific research research is dodgy or inaccurate. It is what they have or haven’t done with some of it to get better political umph is highly questionable.

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    Richard G

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    @ Robin, The Antarctic which is as you suppose is heating up is actually freezing in and closed in with ICE right now and this is in the middle of our southern summer.

    See the ABC Aust story being posted over these couple of days as ships try to rescue a tourist and science ship STUCK in the ice.

    The Chinese icebreaker sent to free it was unable to get through the ice! And a second French icebreaker was also unable to get through. Is this a sign of global warming in the Antarctic?

    1) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-25/antarctic-travellers-stranded-in-ice-off-hobart/5174828

    2) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-28/chinese-icebreaker-unable-to-reach-stuck-ship/5176938

    ~ ” But after coming within six-and-a-half nautical miles of the expedition boat, the Chinese icebreaker had to stop. Andrea Hayward-Maher from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority says the ice was too thick. “It has encountered heavy ice and it’s not safe for them to continue to the Russian vessel for their own safety,” she said.

    Please explain that one…

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    Ralph Walton

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    @Robin Archer ..I hate what the Japs are doing to whales. The research excuse is bullshit. I’d love to put an Australian warship into out Southern Ocean and give them a shake up. First shells across the bows. Go or face the consequences. That includes the exploitation of the fish stocks like the Patagonian tooth fish and other varieties that are being decimated too. If you want WW3, come to me. The Australian authorities are too gutless to do anything because they are petrified stiff that it will over flow into our trade with Japan and cost Australians jobs. And really, I don’t know if we have a seaworthy boat left in our Navy that would do the job: And Australia doesn’t want to police those areas because of the cost. We can’t even police Australian coastal waters because our Defence forces are so depleted. As for Greenpeace they can protest all they like and good on them for taking a stand. But attacking and boarding flagged vessels or trespassing on sovereign territory is just not on. That is illegal. Depending on where it is, it may be called piracy or terrorism and can’t be tolerated regardless of the moral or other intentions. Just because you don’t carry an AK47 doesn’t mean you can’t badly disrupt business or damage expensive property. I did some research on Greenpeace, particularly on funding quite a while back, and fuel companies , although under concerted attack , were donating quite significant amounts to their operating budget. At that point it cost around ( from memory)$125 million dollars just to open Greenpeace’s gates each year. A lot of good people are involved with Greenpeace doing worthwhile things around their local communities and beyond. They help gather donations for land restorations and watercourse improvements, planting trees and caring for fragile environments . Good stuff. It’s not all bad. Just some of it much further up the food chain.

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    robin archer

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    anyways………this all started (for me) with that graph at the top of this page and l still say that graph is dodgy, only because of the three words….`confirmed by NASA…..apart from the fact it flies in the face of whats on their site…….now you reckon NASA are highly dodgy anyways…..fark it would be nice to have contact with someone in the Antartic who could actually say to me……Rob, its right or Rob, its codswallop
    what about the information re the glaciers retreating……only seen one glacier…..22 years apart….in New Zealand…..that one has definately retreated

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    robin archer

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    ralph……very interesting
    tho annoyed you refered to greenpeace as a terrorist group…..l like greenpeace and if only for the whaling business…..bloody japanese are just snubbing Australia, and for some reason our goverment wont stand up to them…….the japs and their so called scientific research

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    Jan-Ove Pedersen

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    #84 – you bet, they are among the worst there is. On TV, in their Magazines. Just take a closer look on both and you will find they exaggerate a lot in what they are presenting. It’s up to you.

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    robin archer

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    national geographic?……….dodgy also?

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    robin archer

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    so…..their graphs and readings cant be believed?!…….have you any idea how a bit of a newcommer to all this…..looks at stuff like this…..and finds it sooo hard to swallow?….

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    Ralph Walton

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    @Alderman..a good précis. That nails it..Cheers.

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    Ralph Walton

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    Part (B)This is not secret rocket science or a climate Star Chamber; it is supposed to be a transparent process where the population is given all the information rather than just the juicy cheery picked articles of impact and sensationalism. Well the CSIRO are in deep trouble with the new Minister at present because of their secretive and un-cooperative nature that developed under Labor/Green influence. Initially they apparently weren’t very forthcoming with the Minister himself. He is a very seasoned politician who takes no prisoners. He convinced them it was in their immediate and long term best interests to change their attitudes quickly or else. CSIRO have been denying the press access to even the most rudimentary information and they have been complaining bitterly about this overly closed shop secretiveness for years but to no avail. The minster has ordered them to cooperate with the media and answer all questions. Info is now freely flowing and any questions are being seriously addressed with the facts rather than the bullshit they were previously peddling. The minister having seen some of the unsubstantiated garbage the CSIRO have been supporting, has ordered them for the first time in their history to prove their climate change decisions and justify their pro-warming stand. That is precisely how it should be. The CSIRO are the government’s scientific body. The one they are supposed to be able to trust with unbiased decisions and rely on their data for critical affairs of State. Do you have anything specific in mind about the CSIRO? Something needing answering maybe? Lots of brainy and sensible people on TGM. There is a bit of nonsense from time to time but them‘s the breaks. Anyhow I’ve probably overlooked some critical areas with the CSIRO and those gaps will be filled in.

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    Ralph Walton

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    Robin Archer. Part (a) It’s not that both those organisations, NASAR and the CSIRO haven’t done some amazing and phenomenal science and research over time: Because they certainly have. Something has happened to both organisations since this anthropogenic global warming theory arrived and the IPCC materialised as the head research dicks for “climate science” generally. And that involves a hell of a lot of disciplines. NASAR and the CSIRO became captive to and in awe of the climate edicts of the IPCC. They have sort of developed a green mould or an Eco insanity where common sense, good science and ethics, honesty and openness, have somehow become expendable in this all-consuming web of climate change. The whole process has become much politicised with climate science ideologically captive to the left side of politics. The Greens and Labor are climate changes ideological benefactors. The right of politics has gone along with the climate process so they can look even greener and ever so more climate conscious and environmentally friendlier than even the radical greens that are the extremist’s fringe dwellers on the left political wing. With politics and climate change/global warming, I have problems with policies on both sides of the political fence. From many points of view they are as bad as one another and need pulling into line by ditching many of the unnecessary green programmes and green tape that are strangling the National economic capacity and diverting the Nation’s energy from critical infrastructure projects and wealth creation. You would have read in some of the URL’s that have been presented that NASAR has been less than forthcoming with information that should be open to the public and exposed in their Nation’s best interest.

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    Ralph Walton

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    @ Robin Archer ..the response for me is too long. I will send it in two sections shortly. Sorry for the delay.

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    Alderman

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    Quick rules of thumb for the reliability of a website or organization on the subject of climate-
    Dodgy:
    -any organization owned or controlled by government
    -taxpayer funded (money paid)
    -very professional website and nicely laid out -reports indicating much money available
    -part of or linked to terrorist groups like Greenpeace or SeaShepherd or their cronies such as WWF
    -any international, EU or UN entity
    -most mainstream media

    Likely to be reliable:
    -run by retired scientists
    -run by groups with objectives of individual freedom and property rights

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    robin archer

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    ralph…..ok…..NASAR`S a bit dodgy……..the CSIRO, hows those guys?…..cause im just having a look at this page……nothing to do with ice by the way………in your humble opinion are these guys legit?…….and l`m not being smartass…..just curious

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    robin archer

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    after reading all that…..l`m convinced…….take two blue ones…….l might take one myself!

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    Allen Eltor

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    Go over to the WORLD’S LARGEST MAGIC GAIS BELIEF SITE
    owned by
    D.E.D.I.C.A.T.E.D.
    H.U.M.I.L.I.A.T.E.D.
    MAGIC GAIS MOUTH BREATHER

    Anthony “used electric car sales” Watts.

    Look at how many people there tell the publishers of that crap TO their FACES

    “You’re as stupid as the s*** that drizzles out of your head and out of the ends of your fingers.”

    So you get yourself a keyboard protector and we’ll all enjoin whatever HICKS come over here

    to answer GoofBilly’s three
    “ARE YOU A DELUSIONAL MAGIC GAIS MORON” assessment
    questions for him.

    If they answer “NO I do NOT” then we’ve got something to start with.

    If not
    then they’re obviously
    channeling
    D.E.L.U.S.I.O.N.

    You can’t talk to a hick clown who told you he and some other people figured out a frigid thermally conductive bath made things hotter than when those identical target objects
    were heated using identical illumination
    in vacuum.

    I find out right at the start if that dipstick wishbilly even grasps he listened to government employees who told him,
    there were magical characteristics to H2O/CO2

    that made it able to REFLECT HEAT
    from a FIRE
    away from a rock
    yet more heat come out of the rock
    than when NONE was lost.

    You don’t get anywhere
    with a s***-for-brains
    who already bought
    algebraic inversion

    not ONCE

    but T.H.R.E.E. SEPARATE TIMES
    in T.H.R.E.E. SEPARATE INSTANCES.

    CLAIMS of INVERSIONS
    of ALGEBRAIC POLARITY
    of
    FRIGID GAS on HOT ROCK in VACUUM
    and REFLECTING LIGHT of FIRE from one.

    Then adding MORE reflective media till MORE energy is excluded making sensors show yet MORE
    energy arrived.

    That’s

    T.H.R.E.E.
    T.I.M.E.S.

    In the

    F.I.R.S.T.
    T.H.R.E.E.

    QUESTIONS.

    Self admitted: D.E.L.U.S.I.O.N.A.L.

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    Allen Eltor

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    That’s not a scientist it’s a criminopath working in the science sector.

    I am a scientist in the SCIENCE of SEMICONDUCTOR-based ELECTRONIC ENGINEERING specializing in
    RADIATION COMMUNICATION & CONTROL with/of anything ever invented that has had a diode on it
    up to those spacecraft boinking around the solar system.

    Advanced ACADEMIC degrees are form application process endeavors that involve writing papers no one cares much about pretending to discuss something unusually interesting.

    Once a set of my peers started bouncing things off the moon, the bottoms of the oceans, and other planets, there was nothing new to be said about dropping hot rocks into cold jets of nitrogen gas and seeing what happened.

    So: I applaud your generous Christian spirit I’m a Christian myself.

    But I’m not calling these hillbilly criminopaths or the people they delude, scientists.
    =======
    The only ‘WELL KNOWN’ criminopaths associated with this con
    have been humiliated by being proven to be frauds SO
    MANY
    TIMES
    the world’s N.U.M.B.E.R. O.N.E. R.A.T.E.D. C.L.I.M.A.T.E. S.I.T.E.
    belonging to a F.E.R.V.E.N.T. BELIEVER
    in the M.A.G.I.C. GAIS
    has been
    TAKEN OVER
    by HORDES
    upon HORDES of people

    QUOTING and RIDICULING M.A.G.I.C. GAISSERS
    to
    their
    F.A.C.E.S.

    So those criminopaths can make claim to scientific assurance all they want.

    We’ll wait around and see how many 99.BR5-49 pur sint of awl thim scientiscians whut kin
    REED uh HOCKIE STICK

    come around to save BillyBob here.
    Hopefully it’ll be enough to make it worth the lost keyboards as we all laugh at what’s gonna happen to em till coffee comes out our noses.

    [quote name=”Greg House”]
    Scientists who honestly believe in “greenhouse effect” which is equivalent to perpetual motion are a disgrace to the scientific community.[/quote]

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    Allen Eltor

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    Down ‘air at’tuh.. YeWNuhVerStee thay GOT uh LAIG BULB,

    should be “Down ‘air at’tuh.. YeWNuhVerStee thay GOT uh LAIGt BULB,
    above.

    I didn’t want to git muh climit math backurds or yew cuddn’t calculate how much of a BORE HOLE muh Magical Backerisms STORY wuz
    and thin yew wudd’nt be able to check if thuh mayuth
    wuz real with a

    HACK HICK HOCKEY STICK
    generator.

    LoL.
    (But really you can check my math and evurthang. It’s hotter’n if thair warnt nary
    magical
    fractical
    diffractionaitun’ gaises.)

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    Allen Eltor

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    “Down ‘air at’tuh.. YeWNuhVerStee thay GOT uh LAIG BULB,
    YEW kin MAKE it BURN so HOT it’ll make uh..

    HUNNERD WAT BULB BURN UH.. HUNNERD & forty!

    Thay wuz gonna LET EVURBODIE HAVE IT FREE,
    but
    BIG AhWUhL dun
    KILT all thuh PERFESSERS
    an’ BAWT THIM BULBS UP frum thuh KIDS ‘fore THAY NEW WAT
    THAY HAD!”
    =======
    Hopefully someday, someone will put carbon dioxide in some more of em’ an’ boy thin we wont need no newklee’yur’rainee’yur powur no mor!”
    ——-
    But sints BIG aWuHL dun.. UN DISCOVEReD em
    we awl gotta WAIT NOW!”
    =======

    LoL.

    Just –
    -what a bunch of hicks.

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    Allen Eltor

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    “Thim GUBMUNT MINN thay TOLt ME about a.. MAGICAL gais, YA’LL!”

    Thay sed it dun some poWWWRFUL GLITTERIN!”

    It dun GLITTERED off 20 pur SINT of thuh laigt comin’ in, and got it HOTTTER than buhfor
    win thair wuz uh..
    HUNNERT! pur sint

    Thay DUN ADDID sumORe an’ kept out 25 PUR SINT
    and made
    it GET ***EVEN MORE COMIN’ OWT***
    Uhvit
    THAN WUT WINT IN!”
    Ya’LL!”

    HooWEEE, boy, now THIM THAIR’s sum PoWWWRfuL Glitterins!
    PoWWWWWWRfuL!”
    =======

    What a buncha hicks.

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    Allen Eltor

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    You’ve mentioned having to go lie down when confronted with thought twice:

    once
    when someone else had thoughts

    once when you had thoughts
    about someone elses’s thoughts.

    Now you’re talking about one of yourselves didn’t take your meds.

    Again.

    You thought – what –
    – everyone’s surprised?

    * * *To RECAP WHAT YOU ADMITTED* * *

    H.I.L.L.B.I.L.L.Y.

    You told US
    (And I QUOTE)

    “GUBMU’nT MiNN
    Tolt mE,
    A SPHERE SUSPENDED SPINNING illuminated to stable temp T in VACUUM –
    in VACUUM

    immersed in
    F.R.I.G.I.D.
    N.I.T.R.O.G.E.N/O.X.Y.G.E.N.
    bath

    had
    EVERY SINGLE THERMAL SENSOR ON it
    show ENERGY at target
    surface
    I.N.C.R.E.A.S.E.
    =======

    Thats not the working scientists who are here, ridiculing you,

    for actually A.D.M.I.T.T.I.N.G. *YOU*

    *BELIEVED*

    *THAT*,

    That’s Y.O.U.
    who ACTUALLY CAME HERE to ANNOUNCE:

    “THIM THAIR BACKERDISMS, THAYS uh..
    GROWIN!
    Y’a’LL!”
    =======
    So
    *we already ESTABLISHED YOU’RE DELUSIONAL*
    and don’t need to belabor your consciousness maintaining difficulties. It’s just important you remember that
    YEW have BIN INVITID two GIT YORE FRINDS
    that is 99.999 pur SINT of thuh STATE of KANSUS
    sed
    THIM BACKERDISTICAL BEAMINGS
    is uh…
    HURTIN yoRE HEAD.
    =======

    Now you need to send somebody over here who believes in that magical gais, chimp, or we’re gonna discuss it among ourselves.

    Get fetchin’ magical believers
    to asplane abowt thim goofy gais glitterinz’
    what
    GLITTERED AWAY 20% ENERGY in
    AND MADE ALL the ENERGY SENSORS
    show MORE ENERGY
    than when there was
    MORE ENERGY.
    H.i.c.k.

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    Greg House

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]is Allen Eltor another high ranking scientist who believes climate change is a myth?[/quote]

    Scientists who honestly believe in “greenhouse effect” which is equivalent to perpetual motion are a disgrace to the scientific community.

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    Allen Eltor

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    You go find one you can pay money to show up and take up for your bullshoot hillbilly.

    And have him come over here and defend you since you can’t make the keyboard mention Magical Gais again.

    H.i.c.k.

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    robin archer

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    is Allen Eltor another high ranking scientist who believes climate change is a myth?
    Is there anyone out there who has any sort of clue as to what he`s on about?
    ……..or is it just me……………

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    robin archer

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    ……….?…………

    someone didnt take their medication today

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    Allen Eltor

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    It TRULY IS,
    a MAGICAL, MAGICAL,
    GAiS.

    It makes liberals think they’re smarter than the rules governing dunking hot rocks in freezing nitrogen baths,

    It makes simultaneous religious nuts and signtists out of otherwise illiterates,
    and
    finally
    it answers the question,

    “What’s been disturbing Bigfoot movements along the North/South Area-51 region of the Western Mating Migration Corridor?”
    =======
    H.I.C.K.S.

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    Allen Eltor

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    (3)Do you believe possible suspended spinning in vacuum a sphere, illuminated with light to stable temp T,

    having reflective media (H2O/CO2)placed between illumination source and target sensors so 25% total energy in, never arrives on sphere surface,
    causing energy sensors to report
    more energy arriving with 75% arriving
    than when there really was
    more energy – 80%- arriving?
    =======
    If you are such an ignorant “marijuana is like heroin”
    Gub’munt Signts
    BUHLIEEVuR
    that you answer E.V.E.N. *O.N.E.* of the

    “IS it a D.E.L.U.S.I.O.N.A L. MouthBreathing Magic Gais L.O.O.P.T.A.R.D”
    assessment questions

    “Yes, I do, I really, REALLY DO, Y’aW!”

    THEN WE HAVE TO COMPARE YOUR STATEMENT THAT YOU’RE ALSO a SELF-IDENTIFIED “It’s GUBMUN’T SIGNTS
    so POT MUST BE HEROIN”
    believer.

    Look here:
    you already
    SELF-IDENTIFIED
    as a BELIEVER
    of FRIGID NITROGEN BATHS heating things past what their temperature would be if heated in VACUUM.

    So – YOU’RE NOT GONNA PULL OUT of this on some

    “We’re all peers, here” level.
    YOU showed up
    BELIEVING FRIGID NITROGEN BATHS HEAT ROCKS dropped in em.

    There are the MASSES of MOUTH BREATHING
    POT is HEROIN people
    COLD fluid NITROGEN baths HEAT ROCKS people
    AREA 51 OVERFLIGHT is DISTURBING BIGFOOT people

    who believe A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G. as long as the WORDS are printed with a COLORED GRAPH
    because they’re STUPID
    and can’t COUNT.

    People like YOU.

    Then there are people like me,
    and these others,
    who TEACH YOU THAT’S WRONG,
    and that you have to
    CHECK on SCAMMING GRANT WHORES,
    and do at least SOME thinking.
    ============================
    We’re not the ones who showed up here having been caught believing
    —————————-
    dropping a rock in cold fluid makes it hotter than when conduction and convection weren’t helping C.O.O.L. it
    —————————-
    insulation between a fire and rock
    makes the rock hotter than no insulation blocking fire to rock,
    —————————-
    MORE insulation between a fire and a rock
    makes the rock even HOTTER than no insulation
    blocking fire to rock.
    =======
    That’s YOU.
    =======
    And I’ve got the Electronic Engineering degree in radiation communication and controls that says you’re the one of us

    too stupid to definitively guess
    which way a thermometer will travel
    if we epoxy it to a rock, heat it with a light,
    then immerse it in frigid nitrogen bath.
    ——-
    I firmly suggest you go get the smartest magic gais believing HICK you think can WORM YOU OUT of WHAT YOU CAME HERE to ADMIT YOU BELIEVED

    and either ask for advice
    or send him here IN PERSON
    to
    ANSWER me.

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    Allen Eltor

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    Here are a couple more and you had better not answer ONE of them wrong.

    (2)Do you believe possible suspended spinning in vacuum a sphere, illuminated with light to stable temp T,

    having reflective media (H2O/CO2)placed between illumination source and target sensors so 20% total energy in, never arrives on sphere surface,
    cause energy sensors to report
    more energy arriving
    than when there really was
    more energy arriving?
    =======
    AGAIN,
    S.T.U.P.I.D.

    “Thuh GUB’MUNT TOL’t ME POT’S HEROIN so it IS!”

    will be the wrong answer.

    An answer of

    “Wull… ya DARN RAIGHT I DO, who DON’T buhLieve LESS ENERGY is MORE ENERGY? Which wunna’ yew DON’T!?”

    is what you MUST supply
    to continue your ignorant wish
    the laws of thermodynamics collapsed
    because government employees are lying scammers
    scamming the stupid.

    (That’s YOU. YOU’RE here swearing YOU believe in this voodoo discribed as backerdistical bullshit so it DEFINES – Y.O.U. – as “the stupid mouth breathers who’ll believe anything they’re told by somebody with a government job)

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    Allen Eltor

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    Here ya go Robin this is what real working scientists say whose s*** works right.

    I have a series of questions I ask delusional magic gais & laigt hillbillies like you so I can establish before everyone else’s purview

    that you were always too stupid to ever get anywhere with in the first place.

    You’re one of those “Yeah but it’s GUBMUNT SIGNTS!
    Ya’W!”
    hillbillies
    who thinks because a government employee
    or some wacko who can’t guess which way a thermometer goes
    said it,
    the two of them make a consensus.
    Or that two billion of them do.

    They DO comprise a near unanimous consensus.
    Just like thuh GUBMUNT and people who PROFIT from MARIJUANA being treated like it’s similar to HEROIN have a ‘near 100% consensus.”

    You had BETTER not give the wrong answer to O.N.E. question of these three.
    Giving the wrong answer
    to even O.N.E. marks you:
    SELF CERTIFIED as
    D.E.L.U.S.I.O.N.A.L.

    =======
    Do you believe possible suspended, spinning, a sphere in vacuum, illuminated with light, to stable temp T, it’s surface covered with sensors,
    having every sensor on that sphere show temperature INCREASE
    upon immersion of that sphere into frigid, fluid nitrogen/oxygen bath?

    If the answer is “Yes, YES I DO! At’tair’s REAL SIGNTS tuh ME Yaw, I dunno WHAT YA’W THINKIN!”

    you had better have answers that make you able to pass the
    “I told em, an everybody there started laughing in my delusional face,”

    test.

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    Allen Eltor

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]Greg House
    so you`re trying to actually say that these 18 top scientific associations and organisations are all corrupt, are all spruiking bullshit, have completely hoodwinked America, even the president of the united states, and the whole world?…..sorry…..l look at that n go……nah,THAT is totally ridiculous

    =====
    You’re one of the stupid mouth breathers who believes things because people tell you they’re important people with gubmunt jobs.

    The American Medical Association, the Federal Government, Governments WORLD WIDE: told us for 75 years, pot is like heroin in it’s effects.

    We know for a medical scientific fact it’s not true, but until just ten years ago: you were still peddling around on your bicycle because you didn’t have a license, probably,
    the ENTIRE WORLD SCIENTIFIC GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES AGREED: POT is like HEROIN and is SERIOUS
    SOCIAL
    CRIMINAL
    ACTIVITY.

    WE all KNOW which group ROBIN ARCHER IS IN:

    “Hello, 9-1-1? There are two young men outside washing their recreational vehicles with their wives on their driveway, and THEY’RE USING HEROINIJUANA! COME FAST before they’re ALL addicted! *click.*”

    That’s you.

    The gubmunt sez so, INCLUDING the PRESIDENT
    POT
    is like
    HEROIN.

    What you are
    is a hick
    with the unthinking mind
    and soul
    of a slave.

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    Scott Alchin

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    I think Chris Landsea’s letter of resignation is the clearest proof yet of the politicisation and corruption that encompasses the entire AGW movement.

    What Robin Archer is forgetting it’s the AGW is still only a theory and a theory that is failing every level of scrutiny it faces. Simply leveraging euphemisms, ad hominems and non sequiturs as a defence is pretty pathetic.

    http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html

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    Ralph Walton

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    P.S. Did you watch the link I provided to Dr David Evans?[/quote]
    Thanks for including that Scott. I saw that at some pint earlier.I think Bob Carter quoted it at the time. I’d forgotten about it. Brain frozen by age and too many extra good nights I think.

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    Greg House

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]Greg House
    so you`re trying to actually say that these 18 top scientific associations and organisations are all corrupt, are all spruiking bullshit, have completely hoodwinked America, even the president of the united states, and the whole world?…..sorry…..l look at that n go……nah,THAT is totally ridiculous

    http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus%5B/quote%5D

    Robin, this is easy, just do not turn things upside down.

    First of all, those statements the article you linked refers to were not made by the tens of thousads members of those scientific associations. They were made by very few members who were not elected to represent the scientific opinion of the others. The silent overwhelming majority did not sign the statements. Hence talking about those scientific associations and organizations allegedly supporting the climate hoax is apparently a blatant lie.

    The second question is whether those people who actually signed the statements are spruiking bullshit, as you put it. Of course they are, since the “greenhouse effect” as presented by the IPCC is bullshit. In fact, according to the IPCC concept presented in their reports, the “greenhouse effect” is just self-heating of the Earth surface by it’s own heat (and that with twice as much power the Earth surface itself produces!), the so called “greenhouse gases” serving only as passive reflectors. (http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-1-1-figure-1.html) Such a process is absolutely impossible and absurd. Radiation reflected back to the source can not raise the temperature of the source at all. The explanation is very easy. Even if 100% of outgoing radiation is reflected back to the source, it is not different from another body of the same temperature radiating to this source, and we all know very well that things of equal temperature do not warm each other.

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    Amaterasu Solar

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]They were started by the Nazis brought over by Project Paperclip, and are used by TPTB to promote the official world view.

    copied and pasted from Amaterasu Solars comments re NASA
    NASA stands for National Aeronautics Space Administration and it was started by the nazis?!…..Adolph Hitler?…..in the early 40`s?……ok……um…..have you taken your meds today?….take an extra blue one and have a little lie down[/quote]

    You think Wernher von Braun was not Nazi affiliated?

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    Amaterasu Solar

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]ok….well….if nothing else, l have definitly fired up this page!
    so the consensus is………
    all these top scientific bodies are corrupt, fiddling with the figures and statistics, purposely distorting the truth, to corrupt the public so as various goverments can extract more taxes from a gullible public……and by inventing this scare campaign, they receive vast sums of money so they can continue to do so…. and one of the few organisations that are a wake up to all this… is this site….Scientific Principia
    ….l think l might go and have a little lie down…..my brain hurts[/quote]

    Truly amazing what money/power over Others can do for the psychopaths who matriculate to the top of the money/power heap (as will happen in ANY system of money, accounting for meaningful energy expended).

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    robin archer

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    ok….well….if nothing else, l have definitly fired up this page!
    so the consensus is………
    all these top scientific bodies are corrupt, fiddling with the figures and statistics, purposely distorting the truth, to corrupt the public so as various goverments can extract more taxes from a gullible public……and by inventing this scare campaign, they receive vast sums of money so they can continue to do so…. and one of the few organisations that are a wake up to all this… is this site….Scientific Principia
    ….l think l might go and have a little lie down…..my brain hurts

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    robin archer

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    They were started by the Nazis brought over by Project Paperclip, and are used by TPTB to promote the official world view.

    copied and pasted from Amaterasu Solars comments re NASA
    NASA stands for National Aeronautics Space Administration and it was started by the nazis?!…..Adolph Hitler?…..in the early 40`s?……ok……um…..have you taken your meds today?….take an extra blue one and have a little lie down

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    robin archer

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    Greg House
    so you`re trying to actually say that these 18 top scientific associations and organisations are all corrupt, are all spruiking bullshit, have completely hoodwinked America, even the president of the united states, and the whole world?…..sorry…..l look at that n go……nah,THAT is totally ridiculous

    http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

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    Amaterasu Solar

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    [quote name=”Ralph Walton”]Unfortunately science is not just motivated by the quest for further knowledge and understanding. It is also motivated by money and prestige, power and influence, and often integrity gets sacrificed or compromised to other ends.[/quote]

    Just curious what You might think would happen in a society that does not need to exchange to survive – in other words, one where there is no money and therefore no profit motive and no control over Others, only over Self.

    I am betting the truth is offered FAR more often.

    Can We get there? Consider:

    Analysis: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=657.0

    Solutocracy: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=5607.0

    The Plan: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=5626.0

    “If You want peace, take the PROFIT out of war.”

    “The LOVE of money is the root of all evil; remove the soil in which the root grows…”

    “If the universe is made of mostly “dark” energy – can We use it to run Our cars?”

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    Ralph Walton

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    @Robin Archer. This is like any other discussion site on Facebook or wherever. Lots of commentators and opinions and very few owners. Many people just peruse for a while and say little or just seem to disappear. Some come to shit stir and are far from pleasant. Lots of people just come to have a chat. The essence of the TGM site is in defence of good science not to promulgate crap science. Personally, I welcome whomever to talk to.I am grateful to be able to put in my two cents worth from time to time. I do what I can to assist other people where possible and advance that knowledge base. They do the same for me. The earth and atmospheric sciences are such complex areas that in the process not a day goes by where I haven’t learnt something new and am thankful to the people around sites like TGM e.g. who have better opinions and knowledge beyond mine. Unfortunately science is not just motivated by the quest for further knowledge and understanding. It is also motivated by money and prestige, power and influence, and often integrity gets sacrificed or compromised to other ends. From around 1970 I have been following major science discussions where I can: The leaded fuel debacle: The Hole in the Ozone Scare: Global Coolng: Global warming/Climate change and have been at times literally stunned and dismayed by the blatant lies, manipulations, and dishonesty and deceptions that accompany “the sciences:” and for what happens to those scientists who dare to question the scientific hot shots of the occasion. Disgusting behaviour. So I am sceptical generally after having watched men of great intelligence and capacity from accepted reputable establishments like say NASA, who engage in less than wholesome behaviour while doing major disservice to their respective disciplines and the reputations of organisations. We must be able to trust our scientific establishments. Without faith and confidence in the projections of our scientists to be able to lead the way in navigating the unknown , society is more the poorer. I’ve seen info from time to time that looks legit but ends up being erroneous. I’ve been sucked in. Sooner or later it comes out. I’ve seen people of far greater knowledge than me get sucked in. It’s not the end of the world. You just shake your head and move on. As said as far as this graph is concerned the basic timeline, and CO2 PPM check out. And from what I can ascertain, the temperature gradient is close. And in consideration of the well known modelling errors that have grossly exaggerated the alleged warming problem, it’s close enough to reality.

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    Amaterasu Solar

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]l didnt look into the `Maldives bit`only looked up the ice cap part because l was sure that was wrong…so please, stay focused
    so NASA are wrong….and you guys are right….silly me yet, you guys are using NASA as the supposed source of information!
    ….damned if l can see anything on NASA`s site that says anything like what you`re preaching…..again…..everyone…..go to NASA`S site, click on their search bar `icecaps`…..then make your own minds up….there`s an enormous amount of scientific data their that makes excellent reading…l thought l`d read awhile back how the icecap had made a bit of a comeback in the last year or so, cant find anything re that so l read wrong information there…of course NASA is just another bunch of commie greenies speaking thru their rear ends…how would they know anything….Principia Scientific have all the true facts which they obtained from…..um….NASA?[/quote]

    Robin, I am VERY leery of NASA’s data, given the degree to which They hide data in images released to the public.

    They were started by the Nazis brought over by Project Paperclip, and are used by TPTB to promote the official world view.

    And so… I am quite sure the Human-created global warming story is a manipulative device to justify taxing Our very breath in the end.

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    Greg House

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]l`ve read where some 98% of the worlds top climate scientists agree that we have a problem………l now know where the other 2% are[/quote]

    Robin, calling those people “top scientists” is like calling Jack The Ripper top surgeon.

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    robin archer

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    Ralph……
    Ralph Ralph Ralph Ralph Ralph
    Then why o why are you taking up the fight on behalf of Principia Scientific?!
    The silence from the bofins there is deafening
    Whoever put that graph and headline together…..please step forward…
    l am accusing you of telling porkys and trying to mislead people
    ok, Ralph…you have sussed the links to NASA, you therefore must agree with me that the statement `confirmed by NASA` is not correct….it flies in the face of everything they say……irrespective of wether its right or wrong….that statement seriously looks like a porky pie!……correct?…..Somebody, has sat down, made this graph and used NASA`s name to give it credibility……would you agree with me on that statement Ralph?
    bloody hell Ralph, you could of said something a tad earlier instead of getting all hot under the collar…..sport….lol

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    Ralph Walton

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    I am a visitor to this site. I am not at all bothered by any of this Robin.
    The timeline for CO2 PPM’s is OK. As far as I can ascertain the temperature scale is pretty accurate. It’s been plotted. Just can’t find out by whom. And let’s face it. The latest and best empirical data blows their modelling for six as vastly over estimated. And any comments bout this by NASA will soon be in the hands of other experts to evaluate it. And viewers stay tuned for the ensuing instalments of “Is it bulldung or not?”

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    robin archer

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    look…..we`re obviously getting nowhere here so l`ll tell you what l`ve done……l sent an email thru to NASA explaining the situation…..and l`ve asked if they can make a comment on this situation and we`ll clear this whole thing up
    viewers stay tuned for the next exciting installment of………
    are they telling porkys or are they not

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    robin archer

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    you have ….STILL….. not answered the question tho (like bloody politicians!)
    …The heading of this article reads…..
    35 year cooling of south pole confirmed by NASA…..
    that means whoever put that graph and this article together has ….in his possession, … information, … an email, … a letter…..bloody something!…saying and making this confirmation…………l am simply asking you………SHOW IT TO US!……or withdraw it…….show it to me……come on, …..and l will happily go away n say `how bout dat, they were right after all…..show me this documentation that NASA confirms that this is true and correct

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    Ralph Walton

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    I sure get you sport. You can drop your smart arse act with me matey. I’ve bent over backwards for you here while other pressing matters were put on hold. NASA’s data has been analysed and re-analysed by experts who express informed opinions that quite often don’t reflect NASA’s take on events. They use NASA’s data ffs. Ice melting and water refreezing at the poles is a feature of the natural process and means diddly squat. But you can agonise yourself into a frenzy over it as far as I am concerned. Believe what you choose. It’s doesn’t matter what time lapse pictures NASA have of the poles. They may as well be taking picture of their backsides. It’s all melted before to one extreme or another. And in terms of geological time, the pictures represent a fly speck on a planet. And any recorded sea level increase is within natural variability: so any melt is having no discernible effect because it is sea bound ice. Greenland’s been clear of ice before and the North West passage has been open and the planet survived a land melt without panic, or carbon taxes, or $ squillions squandered on air driven monstrosities, and alternate energy bullshit. You’ve made your point so go some where else.

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    robin archer

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    you just dont get it do you!…….it doesnt matter what anyone says…..NASA shows the photos taken by satelites!……over a long period of time….they have all the facts….they have the measurements taken by the sites in the Antartic…..it doesnt matter who makes what theories……the plain bloody fact is…..the bloody ice IS melting…..and unless you have a little station up in the antartic taking measurements and observations, and a couple of satelites flying around that takes pictures and supports your `theories` that there is more ice there now………give up!…….you are wrong…..its crap, its bogus, its shit, its codswallop……go and actually bloody look at the NASA site…..look at the satelight photos, read the data…..it doesnt bloody matter what `theories` you have……whats happening is whats happening………FFS!

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    robin archer

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    lol…..and your graph showing icecaps cooling?…….the mere fact that over 2 days you have not responded to the ONE thing l`ve been on about says one thing clearly

    as per my first post

    its a crock of shit

    cheers….have a good christmas and may you have a wonderful time in the new year attempting to mislead people
    ……lolololololol……….

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    Ralph Walton

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    The sea level rise projections were done using computer modelling. They didn’t even take into account that Australia has been monitoring sea levels around our coastline in the short term since 1978, and furthermore they didn’t even use that empirical data when the modelling was initially done. Although I believe they have now taken some of those measurements into account in the present data. If so, that’s good. The University of Hawaii have long term sea level figures as well. They were not used at the time either. Sea levels have risen and fallen over millennia, so it is not unusual. And I hardly consider a 2.5 mm computer projection or whatever extrapolated out for 100 years or more would carry much credibility. But anything could happen. Even if sea levels are rising by a couple of mm per annum with regular monotony, you adapt. But you don’t close down the society or induce mass panic because of minor variability. Anyhow, Islands tend to respond to sea level rises by increasing in mass. They can be heavily influenced by volcanic activity, can be destabilised by island manmade developments. I watched one of Tim Flannery’s documentaries recently. Flannery and his companion were standing on the sandstones cliffs overlooking the ocean around Sydney on what was once a sedimentary ocean floor hundreds of feet above the present ocean level, agonising about climate change and mm sea level rises. The irony escaped him. Perhaps he needs to stand on the sea shell littered white sandy beaches along the rim of the MacDonnell Ranges around Alice Springs and contemplate what a real and frightening sea level rise was all about.
    Read the articles imbedded in this URL if you choose. Some reference are difficult to find without digging, but overall they should give you the arguments for and against on sea level rises.

    http://www.castlemainian.com/new2/the-islands-are-sinking-no-theyre-not/

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    robin archer

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    and just out of curiousity……sea levels are rising…..thats a given…very easy to source the increases….agree?
    …now l know nothing about the maldives
    but if sea levels are rising it sorta seems obvious to me that any very low lying islands would have a bit of a problem….that sorta seems like plain logic to me

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    robin archer

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    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-seaice-2012.html

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html

    http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators#landIce

    these 3 links show that NASA…..DOES NOT confirm what you are saying

    once again…..show me where NASA has confirmed that their has been a 35 year cooling of the south pole as you claim

    there you have it….one simple question
    again………….show me………….

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    Ralph Walton

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    @Robin Archer ..You came along initially with a series of rants and then a list of 4 URL’s, each with extensive references to varying climate issues, and wanted instant gratification on whatever unspecified part, in infinite detail, in rebuttal.
    Quote from near start of first of your URL’s. “Sea level rise”
    [i][b]Start extract[/b][/i]….Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century. [i][b]End extract[/b][/i]
    Alongside that is an aerial picture of the Maldives. That is the first thing I saw and in response to your unspecified demands. I started at that point to at least give you something. So now we are getting into the real purpose of your mission here. So drop the tone and remain civilised. The Maldive’s mob are bullshit artists, pure and simple. Looking for a nice easy little money earner scam from climate sucker central. And whether you like it or not this supposed Island inundation is directly attributable to the precise item you are obsessing about. And the lead paragraphs of the article you question here relates directly to ice caps melting at the poles, caused by catastrophic runaway global warming resulting in Island flooding. The sheer fact that the islands are not being inundated as claimed by rising sea levels attributable to man, puts the very premise of your question into stark relief: No flooding of Island chains due to global warming as decreed by warmists ? If that is the case one major climate change tenet has been blown clear out of the water. That so, then could it be that claims of catastrophic warming and so called runaway greenhouse effect could be questionable in other areas too? Yes/No?
    And just to give you something to read and consider, while other info gets collated. And this bloke knows what he’s talking about. Maybe you could read one of his books. You may be enlightened.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/growing-evidence-of-great-climate-change-scams/story-e6frg6zo-1226789709693#mm-premium

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    robin archer

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    listen…..all l know is l saw this graph posted on my facebook page saying
    35 year cooling of south pole confirmed by NASA….which caught my eye after recently watching programs about the glaciers retreating, how much the ice is receeding etc..so l went to the NASA site, stuffed if theres anything there that supports this….the total opposite actually………you guys have come back at me with stuff about islands sinking…CO2 imissions….that l`ve got my information from GISS, SABER, CERN, GHE, and good old WTF? (I have no idea wot those things are)….that NASA is bullshit…lots of other stuff…..so here we go
    please put on here, show us all…..show us where NASA says that the icecaps are increasing……..you guys made the statement…..now show us how you arrived at that conclusion
    and dont give me all the other crap
    ………..show us………….
    and l dont want stuff from other people…..your statement and graph says `confirmed by NASA`………..WHERE?

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    Claudius Denk

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]yep…..you guys are right…..everyone else is wrong…..glad we cleared that up….l`m totally over this site….theres something obviously wrong with you people…..anyone who susses out the various sites that collect the data from these various places, the scientists, the highly educated people, NASA, the CSIRO etc might just come to a different conclusion, but now we know they are doing so to scam money and con gullible people for um for….um…. some reason…..yep, that makes sense. l can see the logic in that…(?)….Keep spreading the truth guys, the planet will be a far better place if we do absolutely nothing and continue on like we are….how lucky we are to have such an enlightened, highly scientific body of people like you guys…..l am so impressed…..rock on…..to those who might be just a tad sceptical of this Principia Scientific mob, go to the NASA and the various CSIRO sites….even National Geographic….look at the statistics, read the opinions….and see what you think…..but be wary, according to this mob, the`re all shady, corrupt goverment departments lol……and Scott Alkin, l know who looks like a dick[/quote]

    Robin,

    It’s regrettable that the rules of reality prevent you from providing us a link to your imagination so that we might begin to get some semblance of an understanding of what you have, thus far, failed to explain. Given the amount of time you AGW loons have had to put together detailed, empirical argument for the existence of this global crisis I can understand how you might feel a bit, shall we say, embarassed. You shouldn’t feel embarassed. Afterall, you make no claim to have the education necessary to address these issues. You should continue to endeavor to get these well educated and well paid federal employees to reveal to you the special, secret understanding that they are withholding from those of us that, like yourself, are on the outside looking in.

    If they every reveal the secret to you please come back to this forum and let us know.

    Your journey has just begun

    Merry Xmas

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    robin archer

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    yep…..you guys are right…..everyone else is wrong…..glad we cleared that up….l`m totally over this site….theres something obviously wrong with you people…..anyone who susses out the various sites that collect the data from these various places, the scientists, the highly educated people, NASA, the CSIRO etc might just come to a different conclusion, but now we know they are doing so to scam money and con gullible people for um for….um…. some reason…..yep, that makes sense. l can see the logic in that…(?)….Keep spreading the truth guys, the planet will be a far better place if we do absolutely nothing and continue on like we are….how lucky we are to have such an enlightened, highly scientific body of people like you guys…..l am so impressed…..rock on…..to those who might be just a tad sceptical of this Principia Scientific mob, go to the NASA and the various CSIRO sites….even National Geographic….look at the statistics, read the opinions….and see what you think…..but be wary, according to this mob, the`re all shady, corrupt goverment departments lol……and Scott Alkin, l know who looks like a dick

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    Scott Alchin

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    Robin Archer, please provide the evidence, dodgy will do, that the Antarctic is melting. I know you’re full of shit but please do your best.

    There are two things that kill CO2 feedback off and they are entropy and diffusion. Until anyone can logically find a means of bypassing them then good luck moonbat..

    Never in the history of earth has CO2 lead a warming trend. It’s often followed one but never been able to drive climate or temps. Being nothing more than a trace gas it beggars belief that people like you, who apparently completed school, can fall for such crap.
    “The bulk of scientific opinion”. By that you mean the AGW sites you visit. If you’re not interested in science then why make a dick of yourself and comment on a subject beyond your ability.

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    Claudius Denk

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/jesei/co2green/home.htm

    a simple experiment done at a college[/quote]
    Now apply the results to our atmosphere and tell us what you get.

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    robin archer

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    l am not interested in AGW or GWA`s or anything!…..l`m not connected to anybody or anything….all l know is this so called scientific site, posted stuff, a graph porporting to come from information by NASA…….that the icecaps wernt melting and had increased in size….now, during the week l saw a doco on greenland or iceland….cant remember which…..which was most interesting….the problems they were having because of the early thaws etc……national geographic…..l`d say there a highly regarded and respected little mob…..l also went to the NASA site to find NOTHING!there that supported your article…..fact, ….only the opposite…..which makes it a tad hard to have any faith at all the stuff you guys carry on about………now, lets face it…..we all know theres `alarmists` that carry on and make wild claims……you guys seem to be on the other end of the spectrum.
    So before you make ridiculous posts like the icecap is increasing and claim NASA as the foundation of information for this sort of crap that even l,…..just an average Jo can easily find out that you are telling big porkys…..l suggest you dont…..because the first thing that happens is you look at all the other stuff you put out with a severe case of skeptism……and yes, l do believe the scientists at all these highly reputable associations……and yes, l do believe all this gunk we`re putting into the air is having an effect……there is a graph on one of those links (from NASA, not the Tassie one) l posted earlier showing just how much we have increased our pollutents…..in the last 10 years its bloody amazing!……Of course its going to make a difference if we keep, and we will, putting that stuff into the atmosphere…..it has too…..its pure logic if nothing else……decades ago these experts warned us of what will happen…..its starting to happen…..its not coincidence…..weather has become more extreme…..tornadoes in Qld…..6 touchdowns, we dont have tornadoes…..brisbane flooded…..yes its happened before, but its happened twice in recent years….the bushfires….ferocious….etc etc……when you go overseas and find the problems other countries are having………l honestly believe that…..mmmm….maybe 10…15 years from now, people will be starting to really sit up and listen……….but guess what….l actually hope you guys are right……but l reckon you`re wrong

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    Claudius Denk

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]look……..l`m not sure what you are on about with your GHE and AGM stuff…..no idea actually.
    [/quote]

    Thank you for you honesty. M[quote name=”robin archer”]look……..l`m not sure what you are on about with your GHE and AGM stuff…..no idea actually…..all l know is… if l go and look at sites like the CSIRO, NASA, read the data and stuff they collect…the information clearly flies in the face of the stuff you guys are putting out!……fairly bloody obvious actually……did you suss the links at all?….might be an idea. Now, it means one of two things……your wrong or NASA and the CSIRO are wrong……….my moneys on you guys[/quote]

    Robin,

    Did you ever notice that global warming alarmists refuse to discuss/debate the details of their thinking in a public forum. Why do you think that is? Why don’t you ask them?

    Here is a little project for you, Robin. Ask an AGW alarmist or alarmist organization to answer a simple question for you. Ask them if they would be so kind as to supply a reference to any reproducible experimental evidence that CO2 has *any* kind of thermal effect on the atmosphere. What you will find is that no such experimental evidence exists. What you will also find is that they will never admit this, nor will they even acknowledge the question.

    Believers believe, scientists test

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    robin archer

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    …..that oughta fire him up!……lol

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    robin archer

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    sorry……much prefer to believe the bulk
    of scientific opinion
    why would l believe you….this site has
    made statements that are profoundly wrong…..ie the icecap stuff…..it is melting/decreasing!…..that definately is a fact…..l can see no logical reason to think that NASA, the CSIRO are wrong…..or are being told what to do by goverments……that!….is illogical
    …they have a job to do…..collect data….show whats happening….they are the top men in their fields…..checked on who James Hanson is…..one of the top blokes at NASA……you seem to have a bit of a problem with him?….bit of sibling rivallry?…..these guys have every fact at their fingertips, they tell us whats happening, they make projections for the future…….you, who ever you are, arent a high ranking scientist with NASA or the CSIRO……..l know who my moneys on……there is an expression a small amount of knowledge is a dangerous thing……you sir, are fkn lethal!

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    Ralph Walton

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    @ Robin Archer…Do you truly believe that 0.0004% of CO2 is actually going to catastrophically warm the planet. That is 4 x ten thousandths of one per cent of the atmosphere. CO2 has no latent heat properties. As was stated elsewhere once the heat source is removed from CO2, their is no latent effect. And CO2 and most CO2e has atmospheric shelf lives. From the moment it is released it degrades incrementally like say Ch4 Methane which is supposedly 20 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2, and has no atmospheric impact after 10 years. So think about what you are saying. 4×10,000ths of 1% of the atmosphere.

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    robin archer

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    http://www.csiro.au/greenhouse-gases/

    look at this…….
    taken from Tasmania!
    you honestly think that doing this
    …pumping this stuff constantly into
    that thin thing around this planet
    called an atmosphere
    ..day in, day out is having no effect
    at all!?
    you honestly totally believe that!?

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    robin archer

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    look……..l`m not sure what you are on about with your GHE and AGM stuff…..no idea actually…..all l know is… if l go and look at sites like the CSIRO, NASA, read the data and stuff they collect…the information clearly flies in the face of the stuff you guys are putting out!……fairly bloody obvious actually……did you suss the links at all?….might be an idea. Now, it means one of two things……your wrong or NASA and the CSIRO are wrong……….my moneys on you guys

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    Ralph Walton

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    To Scott Alchin.. Thanks for the support. I’ve been up to my proverbials in Christmas while sorting through reams of data for information related to questions from outside TGM. I found I couldn’t just let Robin Archer carry on unchallenged. Much obliged for your help here. Keep safe fella.

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    Scott Alchin

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    FFS Robin, where is the reference to the south pole doing anything other than getting colder and bigger? Don’t piss in my pocket here dufus because I’ve spent a lot of time studying data from Antarctica and it’s not once receded, warmed or anything other for more than 40 years. If you’ve found NASA data claiming to the contrary then I call bullshit!

    Let me guess, you quoted from GISS. Are you allergic to SABER? Does SABER make you feel uncomfortable? What about CERN?
    Let’s clarify the situation once and for all. James Hansen concocted the AGW theory using the GHE as it’s backdrop. Now let me help you here. The GHE is bullshit and even NASA acknowledge that fact so where does that leave your AGW theory? Have you never wondered why physicists scoff at AGW?
    To simply attempt to qualify your argument by throwing in the acronym NASA is patently pathetic. Any organisation who sponsored a lying brain dead alarmist like James Hansen is starting from a long way behind. Hansen to date has yet to have a single climate theory materialise and not surprising because he built his career on a lie. If you’d care to pick up from where he left off and try and prove his ‘positive feedback’ theory them be my guest. I’d really look forward to that.

    P.S. Ralph, the results of the boxing day earthquake was the raising of the sea floor to such an extent that Australian naval nav charts had to be redrawn. Islands go up and down and as you know CO2 has never had a thing to do with it.
    P.S.S. Also good to see you in here.

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    Ralph Walton

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    @Robin Archer..Keep you socks on mate. This is just a discussion and I’m extending you the courtesy of letting you know that what you’re saying is taken seriously and it will be addressed. It is also Christmas Day and my family and friends require my presence. Your answers will be forthcoming. But they won’t be today or possibly Boxing Day. So be patient please.

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    robin archer

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    l didnt look into the `Maldives bit`only looked up the ice cap part because l was sure that was wrong…so please, stay focused
    so NASA are wrong….and you guys are right….silly me yet, you guys are using NASA as the supposed source of information!
    ….damned if l can see anything on NASA`s site that says anything like what you`re preaching…..again…..everyone…..go to NASA`S site, click on their search bar `icecaps`…..then make your own minds up….there`s an enormous amount of scientific data their that makes excellent reading…l thought l`d read awhile back how the icecap had made a bit of a comeback in the last year or so, cant find anything re that so l read wrong information there…of course NASA is just another bunch of commie greenies speaking thru their rear ends…how would they know anything….Principia Scientific have all the true facts which they obtained from…..um….NASA?

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    Ralph Walton

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    As for the 98% of climate scientists in agreement on your position, that is another deception and of the first order, and has been debunked. References to come.

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    Ralph Walton

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    So Robin Archer , 9 minutes ago you came up with a load of references and suddenly 9 minutes later they are somehow holy climate writ, and anyone whose opinion differs is compartmentalised as some pissant 2% of dissenters. And your mind becomes a closed shop. You are so sure of yourself it is a wonder you can live in the same room as your ego. Just from memory most of what you quote has been thoroughly debunked through TGM with supportive documentation, graphs and report references. The Maldives are no more being inundated than than Brisbane is. Nils Axel Mörner did 3 comprehensive reports on the Maldives for their government and found the Island chain was actually expanding and increasing above sea level. The government would not release the info to its own population because it doesn’t support their ambit climate damage claims. The Maldives admin love to promote the misinformation that they are sinking beneath the waves because they want the 1st world to pay $3 billion dollars “initially” in climate change reparations. They have a vested interest in promulgating lies. More info to come other topics and I’ll troll through a sea of info later for some solid references.

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    robin archer

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    l`ve read where some 98% of the worlds top climate scientists agree that we have a problem………l now know where the other 2% are

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    Claudius Denk Solving Tornadoe

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    [quote name=”robin archer”]well……l have just been to the NASA site to find your story and graph……is a load of bullshit and l highly recommend others do the same before believing this codswallop[/quote]
    [quote name=”robin archer”]well……l have just been to the NASA site to find your story and graph……is a load of bullshit and l highly recommend others do the same before believing this codswallop[/quote]

    Robin,

    I can’t even imagine how frustrating it must be to be so sure you are right and so completely unable to say how or why.

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    Ralph Walton

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    And Robin Archer, Lt’s have your research references that you are relying on from NASA. Then it’s a level playing field.

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    Ralph Walton

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    @ Robin Archer. That’s great! Then spell out the inconsistencies in what the article says, and what you have researched which you suggest we are wrong and detail where your info supports global warming. And we’ll throw the discussion wide open. Cheers..

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    robin archer

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    well……l have just been to the NASA site to find your story and graph……is a load of bullshit and l highly recommend others do the same before believing this codswallop

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    Ralph Walton

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    Thanks for the post Scott Alchin. Good to see you here as well. You jolted my mind about Island inundation and I realised I made an error. I was particularly speaking about The Maldives and put Tuvalu by mistake. Your points are well made though. Tuvalu has been looking for climate compensation as well and for climate refugee status in Australia too. Both packages would have been a nice little wins and good earners for Tuvaluans. Perhaps you can help here too. I looking for an official report about Pacific Islands being affected by volcanic activity in recent times which is causing some level of inundation due to induced sinking. Any ideas about that research that would help? Cheers..

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    Scott Alchin

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    Now now Ralph. We can’t expect the UN to just roll over and not buckle to the levels of blackmail and extortion coming from flood threatened pacific nations. After all, if the UN were to reject these claims of extortion it would deny their ability to perpetuate the blackmail currently leveled at the west.
    Bloody Antarctica, why couldn’t it just warm up like Manbearpig and Flannel said it would….

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    Ralph Walton

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    So Tuvalu should now be able to re-estimate how much money they want from Western Democracies for reparations for damage caused to their world view by flooding their Island chain from Carbon dioxide related issues from 1st world development. That would mean instead of their first annual claim for $3 billion dollars damages against the United Nations benevolent climate fund, they should be able to pay damages having been declared guilty as a serial litigant trying to extort money for non-existent eventualities.

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    Sabin Colton

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    I looked at the renderings of the micro units in NYC and cannot figure out where one sleeps. It is not indicated anywhere nor is any bed-type furniture shown.

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